Curse

Jeydra · Jul 26, 2010, 09:17 AM // 09:17

Anyone managed to do this without using consumables, DP removers, etc? I'm beginning to think it's impossible as Ele primary without some massive amounts of luck.

Personally, I've gotten as far as the Perfected Armour wave, but the mob is simply too big. I might be able to clear it if I could keep spamming Eruptions, but that requires AP to trigger, which in turn requires killing, which in turn requires AP to survive the mob's hex removals. In my last try I got to that wave with many NPCs still alive, but missed one AP and wiped.

With careful enough play, the waves before that are very doable, but I doubt it's possible to clear this one with standard spiritway without huge amounts of luck. If GW had a save / reload option, I'd probably finish, but as it is I doubt it's possible.

I wonder if there's an alternative. I couldn't find any ... the hero most droppable is the Communing Rit (need the Channeling Rit to supplement Alesia's healing), but if I drop it for something that can kill the Perfected Armour wave, I have trouble clearing the waves before it. There's simply no other hero that can deal that much damage and take that much damage.

Has anyone managed to do this? I guess also that this is a great chance for Panic Mesmers and alternative hero builds to prove themselves. Anyone tried Panic heroes here with good results?

EDIT: Stupid caps sensors.

Spiritz · Jul 26, 2010, 10:28 AM // 10:28

One question - why do hm when the reward is exactly the same ?
Just curious

Xenomortis · Jul 26, 2010, 10:36 AM // 10:36

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

One question - why do hm when the reward is exactly the same ?
Just curious

There's a sense of achievement when overcoming challenges.
People play games and undertake challenges for more than a "material*" reward at the end.

*as material as any ingame reward could be.

I really don't know what to suggest. It sounds like losing the Comm Rit takes away a lot of damage mitigation. Would an Ineptitude Illusion Mes help against the Jades? The blind is more reliable Eruption and stuff like Clumsiness should help with damage.
What elite is your Comm rit taking?

I Hate Chips · Jul 26, 2010, 12:40 PM // 12:40

1 tank....
EoE damage...
Win...

Jk Arrow · Jul 26, 2010, 01:47 PM // 13:47

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

One question - why do hm when the reward is exactly the same ?
Just curious

For much of the WiK stuff, when going with henchies HM is easier because they are lvl 20 with better skills. In NM Alesia has huge target painted on her back and is no better to bring than a mini Fungal Wallow.

Question for the EoE comment, I can see how it would work well for the massive waves of like enemies. Did you find it to trigger on your party at all as the NPC's died?

AngelWJedi · Jul 26, 2010, 02:13 PM // 14:13

not sure how you do it in hm, but i did it ele prim in nm with a friend. i went sh ele with a ebon ward took a special mod discord mm, a ua monk and a panic gwen and he went as a scythe sin with a half heal/half sos rt. we only wiped once but we were able to do it.

syphonus · Jul 26, 2010, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

Personally, I've gotten as far as the Perfected Armour wave, but the mob is simply too big.

Pretty much this.. you can get to his group every time with no deaths, but then it's just

Like getting hit with a hammer. I dunno about impossible, but it sure is hard.

Essence Snow · Jul 26, 2010, 04:05 PM // 16:05

For one I would drop AP for AoS. Enough foes die during BLA to quite frequently recharge your bar and E. Maybe aoe blinds/spell interrupts might help? (the ele has both) Might also consider snares while using such interruption aoe like maelstorm.

Painbringer · Jul 26, 2010, 05:45 PM // 17:45

Panic based Ele / Mesmer combo maybe earth for AOE no need for exhaustion especially in this long mission. Get panic out there and use the choke points and they will screw themselves is my thoughts.

Targren · Jul 26, 2010, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by I Hate Chips

1 tank....
EoE damage...
Win...

EoE? Aren't most of the mantle human?

syphonus · Jul 26, 2010, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by Targren

EoE? Aren't most of the mantle human?

I'm pretty sure he means AoE..

I Hate Chips · Jul 26, 2010, 07:04 PM // 19:04

Oops on that, I indeed meant AoE thanks

But I didn't try the mission yet, I'll try my tactic of tanking and then AoE... Or is that fail 100%?

Targren · Jul 26, 2010, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by I Hate Chips

Oops on that, I indeed meant AoE thanks

But I didn't try the mission yet, I'll try my tactic of tanking and then AoE... Or is that fail 100%?

I dunno. I've only gotten to try it once with a failpug.

But I'm sure it's less fail than bringing EoE.

syphonus · Jul 26, 2010, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by I Hate Chips

Oops on that, I indeed meant AoE thanks

But I didn't try the mission yet, I'll try my tactic of tanking and then AoE... Or is that fail 100%?

It's not exactly easy.

Life Bringing · Jul 26, 2010, 09:53 PM // 21:53

The whole tank and spank thing would be extremely difficult to work in BLA considering half the mobs have shadow steps and the other half have rupts/enchant removals etc.

I gave Panic a try and honestly i saw no difference in effectiveness from a standard MM. It decreases the chance of AP getting removed, but there's still the problem of shit dying. Oddly enough, gwen for some reason was less effective at using prots than MoW even though she had plenty of energy to do it.

This mission would be considerably easier if heroes actually stayed where they are flagged. If i take deaths before the Isaiah and the group leading up to and including the perfected armor, it is usually because my heroes are an agro bubble away from where they are flagged, putting them in a very bad position.

Another question is has anyone been able to do this in HM with a full player party? It seems like it would be beyond the capabilities of a player team even if they were to resort to some kind of gimmick.

kanuks · Jul 27, 2010, 01:27 AM // 01:27

I tried it 4-5 times but couldn't do it. One of the times i went pretty far, i killed the jade armor boss but died soon after. It's very hard to outdamage them and bodyblocking doesn't work very well because of the npcs.

Did it without too much problems in nm even though the 2 lvl 10 henchies are a joke.

Chthon · Jul 27, 2010, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Originally Posted by Life Bringing

Another question is has anyone been able to do this in HM with a full player party?

Did it with 4 players and 2 heroes in HM. Took some positioning and planning, but went relatively smoothly once we had it figured out.

As for H+H in HM, I haven't heard of anyone doing it at all, much less without cons. I simply cannot imagine how you would manage this when two of your party members have crap builds and five of them have AI for brains. (Except perhaps for EFGJack's micro-heavy tank-n-spank H+H setup for warriors.) I'm holding out hope that someone will surprise me on this.

kanuks · Jul 27, 2010, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Did it with 4 players and 2 heroes in HM. Took some positioning and planning, but went relatively smoothly once we had it figured out.

As for H+H in HM, I haven't heard of anyone doing it at all, much less without cons. I simply cannot imagine how you would manage this when two of your party members have crap builds and five of them have AI for brains. (Except perhaps for EFGJack's micro-heavy tank-n-spank H+H setup for warriors.) I'm holding out hope that someone will surprise me on this.

Too hard to bodyblock properly with all these npcs grabbing aggro.

Life Bringing · Jul 27, 2010, 06:38 AM // 06:38

And even if he was able to bodyblock them, the amount of damage, rupts, enchant stripping they put out is ridiculous. Not to mention half of them have shadow steps of some kind. Oh, and i think some have rending aura too, so you better hope everything dies in one whirlwind or you're screwed.

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Did it with 4 players and 2 heroes in HM. Took some positioning and planning, but went relatively smoothly once we had it figured out.

Was this with or without cons? And what was the team setup?

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Originally Posted by kanuks

I tried it 4-5 times but couldn't do it. One of the times i went pretty far, i killed the jade armor boss but died soon after. It's very hard to outdamage them and bodyblocking doesn't work very well because of the npcs.

Same question, with or without cons and what was the team setup?

Apok · Jul 27, 2010, 07:10 AM // 07:10

Guys, guys, stop brainstorming.

In a while, CE Devilman will post here with a clutch bar that allows you all to H/H HM this mission. It's his thing.

Just sit back, relax, and let nature take its course, 'k?